|Source:Ron Paul- U.S. Representative Ron Paul (Libertarian, Texas) speaking on the House floor about corporate welfare.|
"Ron Paul Why should these corporations be protected with this corporate welfare."
From Ron Paul
I'm going to try to put this in a way that is as accurate as possible, but at the same time isn't overly insulting and unfair. Because I do respect Roy Dan Baron who at least up to this point I saw as someone who is a real Liberal Democrat in the sense that he believes in liberal democracy and would like to see everyone around the world with the opportunity to live in freedom, including Americans. Which is something I and The New Democrat believes in well.
But at the same time his last post about Liberals, Conservatives and poverty is pure nonsense (to be nice) and even Tea Party propaganda. And that point also deserves and should be made.
His first point about Liberals believing in welfare over work (which is my paraphrase) and you'll be able to see exactly how he put that on this post, and that Liberals believe in creating a socialist state. Well there is a few problems with that.
One, the obvious is not true. If you are a Liberal, you believe in liberty, the whole point of the word. If you are living off the state meaning taxpayers who support themselves, you are obviously not living in freedom, are you. Because you are free to support yourself and manage your own affairs.
Also, you can't be a Liberal and a Socialist, it's one or the other. Just like you can't be both a Neoconservative and as strong believer in the national security state and the military industrial complex and also be a Libertarian. Who puts individual liberty over everything including security.
Or be a Religious Conservative who believes in their religious beliefs and their way of life so strongly, that you believe that everyone else should live by your values and even enforce that through law. And also be a Libertarian.
His last point being about "Conservatives believing in the free market over everything else and if government just gets out-of-the way, everything will benefit from that." Really? Well maybe someone who is a Conservative in the classical sense, meaning someone who believes in conserving freedom and the Constitution and not subtracting from those things. And that when government and business are combined or interlocked with things like corporate welfare, that is bad for freedom because now you're putting business in charge of our well beings with our tax dollars subsidizing them.
If your idea of a Conservative is in the Conservative-Libertarian sense, then I agree with you and present to you Barry Goldwater who was the real thing when it came to Conservatives and perhaps Senator Rand Paul of today.
But the problem with this is that today's Conservatives as much as they claim to hate welfare, are addicted and in love with what is called corporate welfare. Which is subsidizing business's and allowing for them to avoid taxes simply because they are very wealthy and successful. When they fail, you bail them out and are Socialists.
But when individuals fail, it's the free market and the best of luck to you. This is not conservative, but it's what is called corporatist. Which is a huge difference.
I don't mind debating the differences between Conservatives and Liberals. Actually, I love the idea and love doing about poverty which is an issue that both sides care about and even have some thing in common on.
But just as long as we are debating the real differences and not throwing bogus charges (to be nice) at each other, but that both sides understand what the other side is about. And honestly and truthfully expresses what they are about and what they believe in.
Global Freedom Network: Post: Roy Dan Baron
"Liberals are Idiot Compassion & Conservatives are Wise Compassion
Liberal Democrats believe in Idiot Compassion which is giving things to help people with welfare giving things to people live off the state and become socialist with no incentive at all to do any work. In other words to become bums of the USA.
Republicans and conservatives believe in what is called Wise Compassion which is NOT giving things away but it's actually living in a USA country and a system where you don't have roadblocks to access healthy safety work food clothing shelter community Conservatives enable
free market systems where anybody can go register an LLC and start a company and work hard to be successful
So it's saying no we're not going to just give you those things you're going to have to get out work and work hard and then you can be successful but you also live in a USA country where it's NOT a socialist country & we are not going to spread wealth all around to everybody and give everything away.
This is a USA society where we have are supposed to have free markets and there's zero roadblocks and anybody and everybody has 100% equal opportunity to be extremely successful and work hard and do well this is what we call Wise compassion."
From Roy Dan Barron, but this blog post and blog no longer exists, at least under this link.